Where Wonder Went

Episode 2

The Day the Magic Died

An interview with Dan Garfield

October 22, 2025 ยท 60 min

In this episode

Why do children naturally experience wonder while adults feel threatened by it? In this conversation with my dear friend Dan Garfield, we explore how the very systems meant to educate us can actually suppress our ability to experience the world as it is.

  • The difference between curiosity and wonder
  • Why "I don't know" might be the most honest stance anyone can take
  • Why meanings aren't fixed objects but living things that unfold over time
  • What happens when you stop filtering out weird experiences that don't fit your worldview
  • How language cuts reality into the speakable and unspeakable—with most of life in the part we can't name
  • The practice of paying attention without needing to understand

We dig into:

For anyone feeling like life has become a series of familiar categories rather than an ongoing mystery, this episode offers both a diagnosis of how we got here and a surprisingly practical path back—not through magical thinking, but through the simple, difficult practice of actually paying attention.

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